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Schon beim Deutsch-russischen Forum 2018 hatte man von den sonderbaren Tafeln zu sprechen, die die Stadt vor ihren Bau- und Geschichtsdenkm\u00e4lern aufgestellt. Die englische \u00dcbersetzung darauf ist sonder gleichen – und mu\u00df es \u00fcberhaupt eine Englische sein? Da die Ausbesserung bisher unterblieb, fassen wir das damals gesagte hier zusammen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Zuerst, das russische Original:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u041f\u043e \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0434\u0430\u043d\u0438\u044e, \u0441<\/strong>\u0435\u0440\u0434\u0446\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u043a\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0434\u0446\u0430 \u0432 \u0441\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0431\u0440\u044f\u043d\u043e\u043c \u0441\u043e\u0441\u0443\u0434\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0435\u0431\u043b\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0431\u043e\u043b\u044c\u0448\u043e\u043c \u0432\u043e\u0437\u0432\u044b\u0448\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0438 \u0432 \u0442\u0440\u0435\u0445\u0441\u0442\u0430\u0445 \u043c\u0435\u0442\u0440\u0430\u0445 \u043e\u0442 \u043c\u044b\u0437\u044b. \u041d\u0430 \u044d\u0442\u043e\u043c \u043c\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0435 \u0438 \u0431\u044b\u043b<\/strong> \u0443\u0441\u0442\u0430\u043d\u043e\u0432\u043b\u0435\u043d \u0447\u0443\u0433\u0443\u043d\u043d\u044b\u0439 \u0447\u0435\u0442\u044b\u0440\u0451\u0445\u043c\u0435\u0442\u0440\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0439<\/strong> \u043e\u0431\u0435\u043b\u0438\u0441\u043a \u0445\u0443\u0434\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0432\u0435\u043d\u043d\u043e\u0433\u043e \u043b\u0438\u0442\u044c\u044f<\/strong>. \u0414\u0432\u0435\u043d\u0430\u0434\u0446\u0430\u0442\u044c \u043b\u0430\u0432\u0440\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0445 \u0432\u0435\u043d\u043a\u043e\u0432 \u0432 \u0432\u0435\u0440\u0445\u043d\u0435\u0439 \u0447\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u0441\u0438\u043c\u0432\u043e\u043b\u0438\u0437\u0438\u0440\u0443\u044e\u0442 \u0434\u0432\u0435\u043d\u0430\u0434\u0446\u0430\u0442\u044c \u043f\u043e\u0431\u0435\u0434, \u043e\u0434\u0435\u0440\u0436\u0430\u043d\u043d\u044b\u0445 \u041c.\u0411. \u0411\u0430\u0440\u043a\u043b\u0430\u0435\u043c-\u0434\u0435-\u0422\u043e\u043b\u043b\u0438. \u041d\u0438\u0436\u0435<\/strong> \u0442\u0435\u043a\u0441\u0442\u044b \u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0443\u0441\u0441\u043a\u043e\u043c \u0438 \u043d\u0435\u043c\u0435\u0446\u043a\u043e\u043c \u044f\u0437\u044b\u043a\u0430\u0445 \u043e \u0435\u0433\u043e \u0437\u0430\u0441\u043b\u0443\u0433\u0430\u0445 \u0438 \u043d\u0430\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0434\u0430\u0445. \u041e\u0442 \u0434\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0433\u0438 \u043a \u043c\u043e\u043d\u0443\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0443 \u0432\u044b\u0441\u0430\u0436\u0435\u043d\u0430 \u0430\u043b\u043b\u0435\u044f \u0438\u0437 \u0434\u0432\u0430\u0434\u0446\u0430\u0442\u0438 \u0447\u0435\u0442\u044b\u0440\u0435\u0445 \u043b\u0438\u043f, \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0432\u0435\u0437\u0435\u043d\u043d\u044b\u0445 \u0438\u0437 \u0428\u043e\u0442\u043b\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0438\u0438, \u043e\u0442\u043a\u0443\u0434\u0430 \u0441 XI \u0432. \u0431\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0432\u043e\u0435 \u043d\u0430\u0447\u0430\u043b\u043e \u0440\u043e\u0434 \u0411\u0430\u0440\u043a\u043b\u0430\u0435\u0432 \u0438\u0437 \u0422\u043e\u0443\u0438.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

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Da wird aus einem F\u00fcrsten ein „blo\u00dfer“ General. Da baut ein gro\u00dfer Architekt von Welt\u00a0\u2014 und wird zum „deutschen Architekten“ degradiert. Die M\u00e4r von der Herzenbegr\u00e4bnis, f\u00fcr die es keine Belege gibt und wohl nie geben wird, serviert man als eine zweifelssichere Tatsache auf. Die Wandbemalungen des Gymnasiums, aus der Odysee, werden zu Alt\u00e4ren unbekannter G\u00f6tter. Ernst Brandes bekommt eine Nazi-Auszeichnung anstelle der wirklich gewesenen Ehrung der Weimarer Zeit, im gattungsbedingt motorenlosen Wasserturm geschieht eine Explosion, die es in der Wirklichkeit im Pumpwerk gab.
Die Jahresangaben sind Mal so, Mal anders formatiert.
Die Lokalit\u00e4ten tragen Mal historische Namen, dann wieder die heutigen.
Stilistisch gibt es vieles auszusetzen, Doppelungen kommen gerne vor.
Von der Komma- und Punktsetzung sowie der Wortfolge im Satz ganz zu schweigen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Die \u00dcbersetzungen sind aber noch ein Grad weiter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bestand (Fehler in fett<\/strong>)<\/td>Korrektur<\/td><\/tr>
The<\/strong> monument to M.B. Barclay de Tolly in Nagornoye<\/td>Monument to Field Marshal Prince M.A. Barclay de Tolly, Nagornoye<\/strong><\/td><\/tr>
The monument of history<\/em> of federal significance<\/em><\/strong><\/td>Historical Monument (federal)<\/em><\/td><\/tr>
The monument to the hero of the Patriotic War of 1812, general-field marshal<\/strong> Mikhail Bogdanovich Barclay de Tolly (at the birth of<\/strong> Michael Andreas de Tolly) was erected in 1821 by order and with the money<\/strong> of the King of Prussia, Friedrich Wilhelm<\/strong> III. The author<\/strong> of the obelisk is the German architect and artist \u041aarl Friedrich Schinkel (1781\u20131841).
M.B. Barclay de Tolly was born in 1761 (according to other data<\/strong>, in 1757, on the obelisk 1760 is indicated) in the Lithuanian estate Pamushis<\/strong> (according to other sources, in Riga, where his grandfather was a burgomaster). A descendant of the ancient Scottish clan served Russia faithfully, he got rewards and titles thanks to his personal valor and talent. On his coat of arms his motto „Loyalty and patience“ was inscribed and he followed it all his life.<\/strong> The commander played an outstanding role in the wars with Napoleon.
The commander played an outstanding role in the wars with Napoleon.<\/strong> In the years<\/strong> 1810-1812 he was a Minister of war, since the<\/strong> spring of 1812 \u2014 commander of the 1st Western Army, during the Patriotic War of 1812 he was the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian army (before the appointment of M.I. Kutuzov),<\/strong> he fought heroically in the battle of Borodino. In the overseas<\/strong> campaign of 1813-1814 he headed the joint Russian-Prussian troops in the Allied forces with whom he joined<\/strong> Paris on March 31, 1814, where<\/strong> he received a Field Marshal’s baton. In 1815 he was awarded the princely title. He was awarded many awards<\/strong> of the Russian Empire and other states, became a full gentleman<\/strong> of the Order of St. George.
He died on<\/strong> May 14 (26), 1818, not far from Insterburg, on the Szieleitschen manor (now Nagornoye settlement): here, because of the pains in the heart, the general had to stop on the way to Carlsbad for treatment. The embalmed body of Barclay de Tolly, accompanied by a guard of honor, was taken to Riga, where the solemn funeral ceremony was held, then to the family estate Beckhof (J\u00f5geveste, Estonia), where he was buried. The heart of the commander in a silver vessel was buried on a small hill in<\/strong> three hundred meters from the manor on which<\/strong> he died.
Apparently<\/strong>, at this place an obelisk was set. It was made<\/strong> from cast iron, its height is 4 meters. Twelve laurel wreaths in the upper part symbolize<\/strong> the twelve victories won<\/strong> by M.B. Barclay de Tolly. Under the wreaths there are texts in Russian and German about his merits and awards. From the road to the monument an alley of twenty-four limes, brought from Scotland, was planted, from there<\/strong> the Barclay family from Towie originates from the 11th century.<\/td>		An obelisk to Field Marshal, Prince Michael Andrew Barclay de Tolly (Russian, Mikhail Bogdanovich) was commissioned by king Frederick William III of Prussia from the great architect, Carl Frederick Schinkel (1781\u20131841), to commemorate the death of a celebrated Napoleonic war hero. It was inaugurated 1821.
Barclay de Tolly was born between 1757 and 1760, possibly on a Curonian estate in what is now the village of Pam\u016b\u0161is, Lithuania, or Riga, now Latvia, where his grandfather was a burgomaster. Descended from a Scottish clan, Michael Barclay de Tolly served Russia faithfully and loyally. His ranks and awards reflected his personal valor and talent. His personal motto, \u201eLoyalty and patience\u201c is inscribed on his coat of arms.
He played an outstanding role in the Napoleonic wars, including Minister of War (1810\u20131812). In early 1812, he commanded the 1st<\/sup> Western Army, while being Commander-in-Chief of all Russian armies. His heroism at the battle of Borodino was particularly noted. In the Foreign Campaign of 1813\u20131814, he commanded Russo-Prussian forces and entered Paris on March 31st<\/sup>, 1814, where he was promoted Count of Russian empire and handed a field-marshal\u00b4s baton. In 1815, he ascended to the rank of Prince. He was highly decorated throughout his service, by Russia and other nations, and was one of the few men ever to receive all 4 degrees of the Military Order of St George.
He died here at the Szieleitschen manor (now, Nagornoye settlement), not far from Insterburg, on May 14th<\/sup> (26th<\/sup>), 1818, while on his way to Karlsbad (now Karlovy Vary, Czechia), where he wanted to recover his health. From here, a guard of honour took his embalmed body back to Riga, where a memorial service was held, and finally to his Beckhof estate (now J\u00f5geveste, Estonia), where he was finally laid to rest.
Legend has it that his heart was buried separately, in a dedicated silver vessel, on a hill three hundred meters from the manor, with this four-meter-high obelisk marking the point.
Made out of cast iron, the obelisk represents the twelve victories of Barclay de Tolly with its twelve laurel wreaths, while the texts in Russian and in German detail his merits and awards. An alley of twenty-four lime trees leads to the memorial, all imported from Scotland, where the name of Barclay emerged in 11th<\/sup> century in Towie.<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

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Der Satzbau ist russisch durch und durch.
Bestimmte und unbestimmte Artikel stehen wild durcheinander. Falsche W\u00f6rter, vor allem Pr\u00e4positionen allerorten, dazu noch wirre Zeiten („suffered… in the future“). Feststehende Begriffe, wie „Bundesdenkmal“, „Feldmarschal“ oder die im Russischen \u00fcbliche K\u00fcrzel („Kulturobjekt“, eigentlich „Geschichts- und Kulturdenkmal unter staatlichem Schutz“) werden buchstabengetreu \u00fcbersetzt, ohne auf Sinn zu achten. Einen „Friedrich Wilhelm“ bel\u00e4\u00dft man bei der deutschen Schreibweise, obwohl er im Englischen „Frederick William“ hie\u00dfe, „Pam\u016b\u0161is“ wird zu „Pamushis“ englisiert, die Bogenbr\u00fccke und das Sch\u00fctzental dagegen transkribiert: „Gorbaty“ und „Streletsskaya“. Der Einsatz russischer Armeen bei den Befreiungskriegen wird zum „\u00dcbersee-Einsatz“, ein Tr\u00e4ger aller Stufen des St.Georg-Ordens zum „fetten Kumpel“, eine gew\u00f6lbte Kirche zum halbrunden Bau, eine Dienstwohnung\u00a0\u2014 zum m\u00f6blierten Appartement. Statt einer Oberschule feiert eine Oberschicht-Schule fr\u00f6hliche Urst\u00e4nd, das Gesellschaftshaus wird gar zum Pub. Den Stadt-Komittee der kommunistischen Partei, „Gorkom“, liest man als „Gorka“=“Anh\u00f6he“\u00a0\u2014 eine Ehre, die dem Stadt-Komittee des Gewerkschaftsbundes nicht zuteil wird: dieses wird zu „ham“, „Rindfleisch“. Modernit\u00e4t und „Stile Moderne“\u00a0\u2014 was war da nochmals der Unterschied?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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